Gday Donk here
or actually some of my mates call me coight as in russel coight so if you haven’t seen him I’d ask you look him up as it is a better indicator of what a d-ck I am
Now I don’t know if it’s my interpretation or not but I can take that post of yours I quoted above a couple of ways hence my response in the following
So
my serious comes on for these things as I find it’s better to be upfront on these or potentially it might go pear shape & some that read only might get the wrong impression on pill preformance or of what my agenda is
& please note I don’t edit a lot & the very few I do I’ll state why I did & reason is I don’t want anyone telling me I hide things or I’ve said that as then I can go back & see where I have not relayed the correct information which might be from a misinterpretation or misinformation once again from me I try to be as a open book as I can
eg to be clear on the old forum I was wrong to assume on the original 137hh on initial results & until I saw the bad in that pill I thought it was good which it was for a few angles on deer size critters that I’d tested & only once I learnt from gathering more data I changed my stance , yes I did the fundamental mistake & that was to assume!!!! Yes I’d fell into a trap I’d done years ago , totally pi$$ed @ myself as that was a basic flaw / weakness ( part of the triangle )
Moving forward to the next part
Once that was found it was discovered not to the standard I believed hammers were or capable of off other ones I’d used & yet the impression from some were it would be elk sufficient ,& myself somewhat initially
So I ate crow on my wrong , relayed the correct information to the other members & went to work with the great minds here , then put my money where my mouth was ordered 500 bullets to test @ my expense to see if that theory held water or not & hey presto out of that theory the 137hh that everyone have today was born & yes I told Steve multiple times bs or his pill was $hit yes we had very entertaining discussions
but it was totally my fault for
A/ getting peoples thoughts in the wrong area
B/ not doing a thorough examination of the parameters I’d found over the years of where pills fail or less than ideal results
C/ yes I failed myself
So moving onto now
I’m still not sold on the 168 yet ( also 154 ) as initial results are 1 critter & it popped well with about a 10 foot spray of lung material meat in behind this critter 6 foot sideways & riceman called asked as he wanted to know my thoughts & it was “well it’s cool & popped “
as I’d sent a video through earlier
I’m just trying to gather my loads for future tests
I have not worked up the 154 full tilt but it will & I’ll post velocity not loads on that but I’ve shot more critters with it just not enough or any real good data yet but yes I’ve got some but I’m not doing that old 137hh again to anyone
Ricemans words were how does it compare ( 168 )to the 163hht ( first ) & my response I can’t tell yet because wrong critter as I’ve not shot enough of those critters to understand/see how they act comparison wise to any pill , then the today’s 137hh also came up same response
So let’s get into the cats meow
The 154 over the 168 still makes more sense on paper in my world as speed is one that is very hard to place a figure on & why that 137hh is such a good pill for me because I can run it over 4 k but chose to slow down on requests from a few members & others on lrh wanted the real low stuff as that data is what really helps the big picture & the 168 I’ve left it around 150 fps short of what I can do as it won’t make Jack difference & also some will potentially get that or @least close ( I will also do various velocity impacts across the spectrum)
A bit of background
I had 3 main calibers 22lr 224 centrefire & 30 cal & only in 3 rifles @ one time but various chamberings over many years
So those are what I base my information mainly on & it’s not really any different to the way I do it here now with the exception of if I wanted to know say what a amax vrs Berger did I would head out for the day culling & start smacking critter after critter & then autopsy as many as possible but the ones I learnt to concentrate on were not the bangflops it was the run ones or 2 or 3 bullet in one critter ones as those were the ones where a pill potentially gave less than ideal results , sometimes it did sometimes not .
Eventually you build a understanding of what works on what angles & what resistance & what impact & hence where we are with hammers today with a couple of exceptions
Now I don’t have access to those numbers I once did ( was taking around 300-500 on average biggame animals a year when I first joined up but nothing compared to data I’ve gained in those previous years ) so I’m picky today on the shots that show the bad traits occurring more often to work a pills strengths & weaknesses out
Plus
recently my body shut down & only just been able to get back behind the trigger & first time 30 cal for I don’t know how long & still reserved on my new barrelled 375 rum I’ve not shot let alone my Jeffery as scares the $hit out of me on how my body would take it
Plus
I pulled the pin on working out why ( try to ) that 6.5 118 hht is doing & what it’s doing compared to the 125hht & that believe me was a huge step for me to admit defeat on
not being able to get done what I said I would do ( if I could get to understand & with help of others as not all my work ) as I pride myself on my work & knowledge on why things happen & on fixing , I’ve got theories so need to test to confirm was my motto then hard factual evidence is way less to give us a bad outcome
So I feel I’ve let some down here as I do believe that 118hht can be improved so I reluctantly accept that now & what little I can do from here on out I’m refining my list of what to do now , if this is your interpretation that I’ve dropped the 154 for the 168 I’d say not to think that way please as on all the calibers 30 cal is my baby as I know that backwards & love it so much on reference to so many bullet brands & sizes it’s a fairly good library imo & one I see the quickest out of all so know I’ve not dropped it just shelved but how long I can’t say just like the 168 but my loads will be already done when that day comes hence riceman nudges of support for me to start loading things up & it was great to get back on that bike
Now this is not taking away from any of the other calibers I now have but I’m going to be extremely selective on what I choose & the data I collect from here out will be only a small proportion of what I use to do even to the start of hammers I just can’t get the numbers as my body has said enough is enough
I hope that explains what im trying to do & I’ve not left you high & dry on the 154 I just haven’t been able to pull the trigger on the 30 cal & even that group prone shooting hurt bad ( all others we’re standing shots with chrony on full size tripod
so I’ve had thoughts coming from gl on how I might Persue other options & another fine gentleman sent me his subscription on what he found worked for him as a way of trying to help ( which it has & now paid my membership so I don’t use his ) & the thoughts is all I care about & why this place means so much to me & my response is way calmer than what I give on lrh but they don’t last long over there as I get in trouble & usually they end up deleted but I speak from my heart either place & it’s my mouth gets me in trouble lol but my factual evidence is sound imo of course
Im overall fairly private on my health & family life but this place here im slightly @ ease letting bits out ( not whole lot as I don’t want sympathy I just would like a little understanding im trying my best & my bullet recommendations are one I feel very comfortable in giving once my data is gained as I usually cover heap of bases before I give them out but on pills I’ve not shot I rely on others as their data is so valuable & everyone pooling the data you’ll eventually get what I get anyway just take a bit longer
Then move to
my thoughts which are just like everyone else thoughts sometimes good sometimes off but overall it’s not being wrong that matters it’s saying ok I got that wrong let’s learn from it & look what we are seeing now so many people sharing the good bad & ugly & by doing this we as a group of individuals understand which is better suited to one’s needs or potentially @ a minimum lesson the chance of a bad outcome occurring
& the 154 is no different I have only theories on it @ present although the few critters I’ve shot it looks promising
As for on Steve’s payroll no im not he did offer to employ me once but I declined as I don’t believe that would give a independent view as if employed it’s not good to tell the boss his pills are $hit & believe me I’ve told him many times now & I just don’t tell I show the greatest examples are the 137hh & the subtle differences a small depth of hp showed a huge difference in terminal preformance
Now tips the hammer boys sent me a new variety as they are still pushing to improve again & man on paper & gel tests they preformed well , yep those looked good one especially had huge promise
But that tip I saw it early on yet had no conclusive evidence just very subtle indications & relayed that information to them & I was in a predicament as they were getting low on tip stocks & needed to know what way had the best potential but I knew that something wasn’t right & held off giving my thoughts yep & told them I needed to keep testing & hey presto it reared it’s ugly head but worse than I every could have thought yes that was terrible & replication proved this again & since I’ve given these to a mate I’m trying to mentor so he can hopefully get the data I saw , initially big critters yep he’s got that it failed there also but the small critters he’s just throwing his arms in the air yes I need to spend time with him but the one that is showing the most promise is a young girl
Now I don’t recieve a cent for this but did get those pills for free but all my primers powder are mine & i don’t want anything from anyone as my payment is in knowing that guys like you will never see that $hit tip hit the market so that’s my payment right there & the list goes on
I do what I do for the love & knowing it may help someone not get a bad result that’s it
( Oh & I’ve made great friends here & have so many on my bucket list to meet oneday & gladly add you as I hold no grudges )
It’s not only hammers I’ve done this for
I’m sorry if that’s a abrasive response but it’s to show I am trying the best I can it’s also kinda justifying yep I get it can be read that way also but not my intention
& I don’t know how else to tackle your response above but it also one that I could be misinterpreted the tone I read it in as txt is so hard for me to read or write as I really suck @ that & if you would like I’d be more than happy to call i like talking better as it makes flow & converation better imo
Now if you would rather do it via here message away as I will not take a backward stance on what I do or know & this I hope doesn’t come across as cocky it’s I’ll back my words up with facts the best way I can & that’s data & being respectful with a response not go quite hence my reply now
But I’ll also say I’m wrong if I am & apologise if that’s required & in advance if I’m reading to much into this
Sorry for long winded post
I’m cool got it off my chest & look forward to your response & hopefully the interpreter is out of bed now lol or probably need a headache tablet after sifting through that
Cheers
& it’s minute of turbo to nearly 400 so I’m done with this load in a rifle that’s clapped out & the group while should be adjusted to the left I won’t bother as it will make no real difference for 400 & in especially a deer 
The good news is, we took his Barrel condition in consideration before we started and had no issues.
I still have to question your sleeping habits as you type at all hours it seems! G-day sir 
