Announcing the New Hammer HHT

Farleg said:
Gday
@Bojo34
Got those tables up thankyou
I think you’re in a really good zone & the following you’ve answered with the following


I also really like Riceman’s thoughts


& when your supply is depleted I’d be looking to the 168 &also @DaveM thoughts of the 154

cheers
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So running numbers on JBM Ballistics as Steve suggested because they allow for plastic tip.
200 yard zero all 10 twist 600 yards
Bullet drop fps energy sg muz velo yardage over 1700 fps terminal target number

154hht 41.7 2386 1946 2.377 3700 950 1755fps

163hht 53.5 2123 1632 1.878 3300 850 1714fps

168hht 52.8 2153 1730 2.109 3300 850 1753fps


I included energy because it was in the original post, I will purchase based on impact velocity not energy. The only reason I went with 154's is because Steve does sell a 124hht yet :ROFLMAO: ⚡⚡
 
riceman said:
Has anyone tried the numbers out on the difference between the 163hht and the 168hht?
Interesting, since I play with numbers sometimes.
Let's start with
3300 fps 10twist whatever?

163hht
Rec tr 1-10.5 or faster
Length 1.467
G7 .234 est

168hht
Rec tr 1-11.25 or faster
Length 1.427
G7 .241 est

zeroed 200yrds
@600 yrds

163hht
52.7in drop
2141 fps
1659 lbs energy
1.49 s.g

168hht
52.0 drop
2171fps
1758 lbs energy
1.66 sg

#'s favor 168hht from what I see.
Please correct me if I'm wrong 🤷‍♂️
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When we get to shoot them through the Oehler system we can narrow it down a bit. The 163g HHT is a bit sexier. Guessing it is a wash. The 163g HHT is long in the nose and will possibly have trouble with some of the short magazines in factory rifles. If I am correct that the bc is a wash then the 163g will never be caught by the 168g.
 
DaveM said:
So running numbers on JBM Ballistics as Steve suggested because they allow for plastic tip.
200 yard zero all 10 twist 600 yards
Bullet drop fps energy sg muz velo yardage over 1700 fps terminal target number

154hht 41.7 2386 1946 2.377 3700 950 1755fps

163hht 53.5 2123 1632 1.878 3300 850 1714fps

168hht 52.8 2153 1730 2.109 3300 850 1753fps


I included energy because it was in the original post, I will purchase based on impact velocity not energy. The only reason I went with 154's is because Steve does sell a 124hht yet :ROFLMAO: ⚡⚡
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How do you get 400 fps more from the 154g over the 163g? There should only be about 100fps difference.
 
DaveM said:
So running numbers on JBM Ballistics as Steve suggested because they allow for plastic tip.
200 yard zero all 10 twist 600 yards
Bullet drop fps energy sg muz velo yardage over 1700 fps terminal target number

154hht 41.7 2386 1946 2.377 3700 950 1755fps

163hht 53.5 2123 1632 1.878 3300 850 1714fps

168hht 52.8 2153 1730 2.109 3300 850 1753fps


I included energy because it was in the original post, I will purchase based on impact velocity not energy. The only reason I went with 154's is because Steve does sell a 124hht yet :ROFLMAO: ⚡⚡
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@DaveM .......can I ask which cartridge? I ran the 152HH, before it was discontinued, at 3550 out of my 300WM. I run the 166HH at 3430 out of the same. If that serves as a reasonable guide might be tough to pickup 400 fps by dropping to 154 from 163/8 but go for it eager to see where you land.
 
Bojo34 said:
@DaveM .......can I ask which cartridge? I ran the 152HH, before it was discontinued, at 3550 out of my 300WM. I run the 166HH at 3430 out of the same. If that serves as a reasonable guide might be tough to pickup 400 fps by dropping to 154 from 163/8 but go for it eager to see where you land.
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300RUM 10 twist 26" barrel
 
Steve Davis said:
How do you get 400 fps more from the 154g over the 163g? There should only be about 100fps difference.
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Steve the 3300 was a number someone else posted I have no idea what cartridge they were referencing or if it was used as just an example. The 3700 I posted is what I hope to get from my 300RUM with a 10 twist and 26" barrel and ADG brass. Even if I can't achieve the 3700 the 154 is still right there at 3400 fps. at 600 yards.

168hht 52.8 drop 2171fps 2.109sg

154hht 51.2 drop 2142fps 2.311sg
 
Yep I used 3300 as a example, something about 300wsm-300wm territory. Based on 166hh load data supplied on data sheet. Yes with a rum you can get up there somewhere north of my example.
My #'s where only based on description on web site. It says bullet length of those dimensions that what I plugged in to app.
Your sg is higher so you must of added tip to bullet length 🤷‍♂️
Looking forward to everyone's data.
 
Riceman,
I see now the point you (and Farleg) were making that the 163 and 168 will likely have comparable velocities due to the differing bearing surface designs. Makes sense. I’ll be curious to see what people actually achieve with these two.
 
I have a Terrain imposed limit of 550 yds. I plan on running each bullet (163 &154) to pressure. Plug those numbers into the app and lowest time of flight is going to be my deciding factor. Either choice will be perfect for my sized game in Georgia.

I've been thinking about this new 154 with the reduced bearing surface. I wonder how far it will actually lag behind the 137?? This could be very interesting.

I've seen what the 163 does at a muzzle velocity of 3650 ☠️. It is a very impressive pill with wound channels that will make the long-distance guys extremely happy.

I will make my choice between these two bullets. That is until somebody gets comparable velocities (hopefully HIGHER) with the 168. I've already pulled the trigger on a 100 of the 163s and I know what they'll do, so I'm happy☠️🦘🤠

Speed kills

Waiting on the mailman😥
 
alg25 said:
Nice! I was going to try RL16, but didn't have much powder left.
Is that where you hit pressure or where you settled in at?

I tried Varget 1st, hit pressure at 3516, next I tried IMR4350 pressure at 3549, backed off and had a .5" group at 3481 ave.
Then I tried RL26, went to 3727 with NO pressure signs, but had a velocity node at around 3660, shot 3 into a .33" group with an average velocity of 3665.

I just ran out of 90g AH, so I ordered some 95g HHT, if those don't work I can always go back to the 90g AH.
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I found pressure, backed off 1.5% and shot a 5 shot group that went just under an inch.....which from what I read is really pretty good for a Ruger #1.

I've fired it 3 times at deer. One was a bang flop with nary a twitch and the other 2 did the circle run and fell within seconds.

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joe16 said:
I have a Terrain imposed limit of 550 yds. I plan on running each bullet (163 &154) to pressure. Plug those numbers into the app and lowest time of flight is going to be my deciding factor. Either choice will be perfect for my sized game in Georgia.

I've been thinking about this new 154 with the reduced bearing surface. I wonder how far it will actually lag behind the 137?? This could be very interesting.

I've seen what the 163 does at a muzzle velocity of 3650 ☠️. It is a very impressive pill with wound channels that will make the long-distance guys extremely happy.

I will make my choice between these two bullets. That is until somebody gets comparable velocities (hopefully HIGHER) with the 168. I've already pulled the trigger on a 100 of the 163s and I know what they'll do, so I'm happy☠️🦘🤠

Speed kills

Waiting on the mailman😥
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Joe what cartridge and rifle combo was achieving the 3650 mv? Asking for a friend
 
Can't wait for a light weight 27cal thh, 100-110gr area. That 122thh sure is something though!
 
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