Steve,
That's a bit slow, but it might show you meat damage and shallow bubble if he's Very close
. If he's any distance, your bullet will have slowed down closer to a better velocity range
Velocity windows
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That's a bit slow, but it might show you meat damage and shallow bubble if he's Very close
. If he's any distance, your bullet will have slowed down closer to a better velocity rangeIf it ain't doing this, it's too slow.
hand skills
Hammer Time Executive member
Here's the Hammer paradox as I see it;
More speed = less total energy required
For similar results (within certain limits...)
More speed = less total energy required
For similar results (within certain limits...)
Bad enough watching news and now gotta worry about "sandstorm"?
Grumpy
Member
Do the original velocity brackets apply to the Shock Hammer/Power Hammer line as well as the HH line or do the brackets change slightly for those, too?
I'm curious if the larger hollow point affects this at all.
All I can find anywhere is this, which doesn't specify.
"The above velocity brackets are for traditional Hammers (Hunters and Absolutes). The velocity brackets for the new HHTs are going to be remarkably different, with much larger/wider velocity windows for good performance. Data and results are still being gathered for the HHTs.}"
I'm curious if the larger hollow point affects this at all.
All I can find anywhere is this, which doesn't specify.
"The above velocity brackets are for traditional Hammers (Hunters and Absolutes). The velocity brackets for the new HHTs are going to be remarkably different, with much larger/wider velocity windows for good performance. Data and results are still being gathered for the HHTs.}"
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The shock and power hammers are variations of the original Hammer Hunter line.
Based upon testing, they fit fairly well into the original velocity brackets.
You will find at higher velocities Shock Hammers tend to shed petals very quickly and the petals radiate out more laterally than following the shank forward. The shanks are virtually unstoppable - bone and all.
Power Hammers have thicker "lips" around the hollow points to make the nose more rounded. This causes them to open and shed petals slightly slower (deeper) in the animal. For 140 lb deer the bullet upsets at about the second lung lobe. For larger deer (with more resistance/mass) the bullet upsets and sheds petals in the mid-late first lobe of the lungs.
Both pills kill very well. You'll note a more rapid velocity loss with these pills due to the blunter nose and wide mouth. I've used both very successfully to 250+ yds.
One additional note: I've tested the 6.5 92gr PH to over 4k, impacts around 3800-3900. This little pill doesn't have enough shank weight to penetrate hard quartering shots through the left side paunch and get through the lungs up forward with ease. They kill deer just fine, but on the toughest test of a bullet (left side quartering through the paunch), expect a long run (100+ yds).
Based upon testing, they fit fairly well into the original velocity brackets.
You will find at higher velocities Shock Hammers tend to shed petals very quickly and the petals radiate out more laterally than following the shank forward. The shanks are virtually unstoppable - bone and all.
Power Hammers have thicker "lips" around the hollow points to make the nose more rounded. This causes them to open and shed petals slightly slower (deeper) in the animal. For 140 lb deer the bullet upsets at about the second lung lobe. For larger deer (with more resistance/mass) the bullet upsets and sheds petals in the mid-late first lobe of the lungs.
Both pills kill very well. You'll note a more rapid velocity loss with these pills due to the blunter nose and wide mouth. I've used both very successfully to 250+ yds.
One additional note: I've tested the 6.5 92gr PH to over 4k, impacts around 3800-3900. This little pill doesn't have enough shank weight to penetrate hard quartering shots through the left side paunch and get through the lungs up forward with ease. They kill deer just fine, but on the toughest test of a bullet (left side quartering through the paunch), expect a long run (100+ yds).
Grumpy
Member
Thank you.
For very close ranges (i.e. whitetail at less than 50 yards), it sounds like both the SH and PH would be a good choice.
I love that Hammers don't just 'grenade' on impact at high speeds or just cleanly punch through. That's one of the things that sold me on them.
Now I sound like an evangelist - preaching the gospel of Hammer bullets and the virtues of light and fast.
Sigh....what have you guys done to me?
<smile>
For very close ranges (i.e. whitetail at less than 50 yards), it sounds like both the SH and PH would be a good choice.
I love that Hammers don't just 'grenade' on impact at high speeds or just cleanly punch through. That's one of the things that sold me on them.
Now I sound like an evangelist - preaching the gospel of Hammer bullets and the virtues of light and fast.
Sigh....what have you guys done to me?
<smile>
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Farleg
Hammer Time Executive member
Gday grumpy
The old velocity brackets basically apply to those lines & the hht is different & has a little more range between them
They do have subtle differences/variations between those lines but it’s a great guide on where your more likely to find the better killing pills
The part of understanding the triangle is one I can’t empathise enough as if you don’t follow that you’re eventually going to get a poor result & the brackets then become useless
The hht is a different beast & definitely doesn’t fit so imo needs to be put in it’s own category
GL wrote it better than me
Cheers
The old velocity brackets basically apply to those lines & the hht is different & has a little more range between them
They do have subtle differences/variations between those lines but it’s a great guide on where your more likely to find the better killing pills
The part of understanding the triangle is one I can’t empathise enough as if you don’t follow that you’re eventually going to get a poor result & the brackets then become useless
The hht is a different beast & definitely doesn’t fit so imo needs to be put in it’s own category
GL wrote it better than me
Cheers
hand skills
Hammer Time Executive member
GL is the man;
A glossary to help us along in case anyone is scratching their heads on terminology.
(I miss @MeatBuck - he used to be ON IT with the links - haven't seen him in a while
)
Gel
Gday Tinker I like that 👍 On the angle part of your gel what degree is the face of the gel The part I’m looking @ on gel to potentially show is that transition zone & this may sound bizarre but my gel ( wallaby ) I can tell the difference between the 6.5 118&125 hht and that’s in a max 4 in...
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A glossary to help us along in case anyone is scratching their heads on terminology.
(I miss @MeatBuck - he used to be ON IT with the links - haven't seen him in a while
)
This little pill doesn't have enough energy to penetrate hard quartering shots through the left side paunch and get through the lungs up forward with ease.
ButterBean
Hammer Time Executive member
Just shoot me now please
(Ya'll see what I did there?)So much for that "window"....
